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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Antenna Parts Question. (Adrian Engele)
2. Re: Antenna Parts Question. (Michael Pfeuffer)
3. Re: FO-29 and VO-52 (Luc Leblanc)
4. Re: FO-29 and VO-52 (Jean-Fran?ois M?nard)
5. Re: Avoiding statics on helix antennas (i8cvs)
6. Re: Avoiding statics on helix antennas (Joe)
7. Re: Avoiding statics on helix antennas (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
8. KEPS (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
9. Great pictures of Pollux and Castor (Ivan Galysh)
10. KEPS formated to use with orbitron (Larry Teran)
11. Re: SSTV from ISS (Tyler Harpster)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:22:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adrian Engele <aa5uk@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Parts Question.
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
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Michael,
Many years ago I purchased such parts from Texas Towers as I made some 2M
yagis for Meteor scatter.
These parts are not in the catalog but try asking by calling them. They also
sell aluminum tubing for making antennas.
73,
Adrian
AA5UK
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From: "n1jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx <n1jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: k7dd@xxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 6:03:10 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Parts Question.
Hi Michael,
Not sure if you got a reply, but for C3i try contacting Owen, K3CB.
I also thought at one point, M2 had the plastic insulators and stainless
keepers as they were doing some KLM stuff. I don't see anything in their
catalog, but might be worth a call.
73,
Mike, N1JEZ
AMSAT 29649
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Baker" <k7dd@xxx.xxx>
Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:08 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Antenna Parts Question.
> Several years ago I purchased some of the little plastic element insulator
> buttons and metal washer finger clamps used to secure the elements in my
> homebrew VHF and UHF yagi antennas from a company called C3i. They made
> and
> sold antennas and all the parts to make your own or repair an antenna.
> I can't seem to find them anymore on the web nor can I find a source for
> the
> parts.
> Any one with a source or know how to contact them?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Michael Baker K7DD
> k7dd@xxx.xxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:04 AM
> To: Greg Beat
> Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Tubesat, a $4,000 launch opportunity
>
> The blurb says the transceiver is in the 902-928MHz or 2.4-2.4835.GHz
> bands
> to a dipole antenna.
>
> Greg Beat wrote:
> transceiver,
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:28:49 -0500
From: Michael Pfeuffer <pfeufferm@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Parts Question.
To: k7dd@xxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Try Directive Systems: http://www.directivesystems.com/
They carry the insulators & keepers.
--Mike WQ5C
n1jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> Not sure if you got a reply, but for C3i try contacting Owen, K3CB.
>
> I also thought at one point, M2 had the plastic insulators and stainless
> keepers as they were doing some KLM stuff. I don't see anything in their
> catalog, but might be worth a call.
>
> 73,
> Mike, N1JEZ
> AMSAT 29649
> "A closed mouth gathers no feet"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Baker" <k7dd@xxx.xxx>
> Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:08 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Antenna Parts Question.
>
>
>
>> Several years ago I purchased some of the little plastic element insulator
>> buttons and metal washer finger clamps used to secure the elements in my
>> homebrew VHF and UHF yagi antennas from a company called C3i. They made
>> and
>> sold antennas and all the parts to make your own or repair an antenna.
>> I can't seem to find them anymore on the web nor can I find a source for
>> the
>> parts.
>> Any one with a source or know how to contact them?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Michael Baker K7DD
>> k7dd@xxx.xxx
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>> Behalf Of Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF
>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:04 AM
>> To: Greg Beat
>> Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Tubesat, a $4,000 launch opportunity
>>
>> The blurb says the transceiver is in the 902-928MHz or 2.4-2.4835.GHz
>> bands
>> to a dipole antenna.
>>
>> Greg Beat wrote:
>> transceiver,
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:49:01 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and VO-52
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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On 4 Aug 2009 at 16:14, John Papay wrote:
> Some General Guidelines to Working the Birds with Omni Antennas:
> (My opinion for what it's worth; others may disagree.)
>
> A lot of people are using omni antennas. Some use
> preamps and some do not. The important thing to remember
> when using omni antennas is that you will be getting into
> the bird much better than you can hear it, if you can
> hear it at all. A preamp will really help.
>
With marginal receiving set up on SSB transponder sat there is a tendency to
often use a lot of power to be able to hear their downlink
signal. It's often the case on CW as it is a more effective mode it is not
unusual to see the passband signals moving at the CW speed high
power station.
I try to answer back a station on FO-29 using about 5W (O power setting on the
Yaesu 847) the station who was calling CQ in SSB never get
back to me until i increased my TX power to 50W on a 14 element cross yagi and
he gave me a 55 report with a weak signal comment... I was
receiving his signal near S9 here...
Another way to evaluate your receiving system is to be able to copy the
satellite beacon. If you hear your downlink and not the beacon it
is an indication that you "could be using too much power on the uplink"
A transponder satellite is a kind of sharing system a lot stations can use it
at the same time providing they all use the lowest power. It
takes only one station to scap the whole passband signals. I personally
contact the "offending" station to advised him about the facts some
times it works but there is still some who seems to never cares as i always
see them returning to their high power habits.
On AO-40 LEILA was there to watch the offenders it was not perfect but it
helps controlling the uplink powers. I try to find out my old
recording of the LEILA siren but i only found the beacon signal if someone
still has a recording on his web page just let us know it will
at least makes us remember the HEO era.
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:05:27 -0400
From: Jean-Fran?ois M?nard <jf.va2ss@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and VO-52
To: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>, AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<b6cfdc060908050705m658bb595q56c43dc56fa0265f@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Luc and all,
I often listen to RS-22 and RS-30, and I can copy them as high as 1 or
2 degres with my setup. Iwas amazed the first time that I can copy
beacon at a lower elevation like this. I don't know much about RS-22
and RS-30 beacon, but I use it as my reference for receiving.
I did my best that I can afford the moment in my setup..... heliax
0.5, AR? preamps at the top... and only 2 FT-817 at the bottom.
Be sure that I read all guidelines that people post. I know how
important ham must follow good technique and habit for proper
operation up there !! :-)
I'm still experimenting SSB calibration when using 2 half duplex
controled radio.... It is a little bit tricky, but I will survive !!
:-) I'm using CW for testing and calibrating.... using my headphone
with a VHF TX CW sidetone in one ear and my UHF RX CW sidetone is
another hear... I'm trying to zero beat as close as possible to know
how much I must compensate between the rig. CW is less harmfull when
doing this experiment.... and at 5W MAX only.
I'm already thinking for my next generation setup... when I will use
beam and rotor... and a real full duplex satellite rig... ;-)
73
2009/8/5 Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>:
> On 4 Aug 2009 at 16:14, John Papay wrote:
> Another way to evaluate your receiving system is to be able to copy the
satellite beacon. If you hear your downlink and not the beacon it
> is an indication that you "could be using too much power on the uplink"
--
Jean-Fran?ois M?nard
VA2SS
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:37:54 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Avoiding statics on helix antennas
To: "Lars Petersen" <lars.petersen@xxxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <008101ca15e2$b36037a0$0201a8c0@xxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Lars, OZ1BXM
The shorted quarter-wave coax line suggested in the ARRL Handbook 2008 and
2009 pages 23.20-21 will work great because it is a short circuit for the
static electricity and a theoretically infinite impedance at the resonant
frequency so that for the RF input signal it is completely ignored by the
input stage of a converter or preamplifier.
Remember that a quarter-wave transmission line when shorted at one end
shows an infinite impedance in theory at the open end as you can see using
the Smith Chart.
If you enlarge a shorted quarter-wave by any even or odd number of 1/2
wavelenght of coax line thing do not changes because a 1/2 wavelenght of
transmission line represents a full turn of the Smith Chart.
Do it as suggested by the Handbook !
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lars Petersen" <lars.petersen@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:01 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Avoiding statics on helix antennas
> Hello AMSAT list,
>
> I have a problem caused by static electricity building up on my two helix
> antennas (23 cm and 13 cm). Two converters have already been zapped, so I
> have to do something about it.
>
> What measure would you recommend to avaoid statics building up on helix
> antennas?
>
> Does anyone have experience using the shorted quarter-wave-stub mentioned
in
> "The ARRL Handbook 2008" pages 23.20-21?
>
> Vy 73, Lars Petersen, OZ1BXM,
> AMSAT-Member 36222,
> oz1bxm@xxxxx.xxx
> www.oz1bxm.dk
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:52:31 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Avoiding statics on helix antennas
To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4A79AABF.8090603@xxx.xxx>
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don't forget the velocity factor too!
My first thought was to try to find out where the static is coming from
in the firstplace and fix that. Why put a band-aid on a cut when you
prevent the cut in the first place?
Joe WB9SBD
i8cvs wrote:
>Hi Lars, OZ1BXM
>
>The shorted quarter-wave coax line suggested in the ARRL Handbook 2008 and
>2009 pages 23.20-21 will work great because it is a short circuit for the
>static electricity and a theoretically infinite impedance at the resonant
>frequency so that for the RF input signal it is completely ignored by the
>input stage of a converter or preamplifier.
>
>Remember that a quarter-wave transmission line when shorted at one end
>shows an infinite impedance in theory at the open end as you can see using
>the Smith Chart.
>
>If you enlarge a shorted quarter-wave by any even or odd number of 1/2
>wavelenght of coax line thing do not changes because a 1/2 wavelenght of
>transmission line represents a full turn of the Smith Chart.
>
>Do it as suggested by the Handbook !
>
>73" de
>
>i8CVS Domenico
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lars Petersen" <lars.petersen@xxxxx.xxx>
>To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:01 PM
>Subject: [amsat-bb] Avoiding statics on helix antennas
>
>
>
>
>>Hello AMSAT list,
>>
>>I have a problem caused by static electricity building up on my two helix
>>antennas (23 cm and 13 cm). Two converters have already been zapped, so I
>>have to do something about it.
>>
>>What measure would you recommend to avaoid statics building up on helix
>>antennas?
>>
>>Does anyone have experience using the shorted quarter-wave-stub mentioned
>>
>>
>in
>
>
>>"The ARRL Handbook 2008" pages 23.20-21?
>>
>>Vy 73, Lars Petersen, OZ1BXM,
>>AMSAT-Member 36222,
>>oz1bxm@xxxxx.xxx
>>www.oz1bxm.dk
>>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:54:26 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Avoiding statics on helix antennas
To: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4A79AB32.203@xxxxx.xxx>
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Try a grounded radome to keep rain and air movements off the antenna.
Joe wrote:
> don't forget the velocity factor too!
>
> My first thought was to try to find out where the static is coming from
> in the firstplace and fix that. Why put a band-aid on a cut when you
> prevent the cut in the first place?
> Joe WB9SBD
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:02:43 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] KEPS
To: Amsat-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4A79AD23.9060201@xxxxx.xxx>
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DRAGONSAT
1 35690U 09038B 09216.90180704 +.00018898 +00000-0 +99975-4 0 00077
2 35690 051.6411 056.4238 0005287 101.3819 258.7760 15.80626922000855
ANDE POLLUX SPHERE
1 35693U 09038E 09216.65049322 +.00017516 +00000-0 +95014-4 0 00078
2 35693 051.6409 057.7474 0003658 053.5727 306.5575 15.80147294000785
ANDE CASTOR SPHERE
1 35694U 09038F 09216.65100657 .00009875 00000-0 55697-4 0 70
2 35694 051.6419 057.7520 0004274 054.7897 305.3491 15.79946104 784
--
Nigel A. Gunn, 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel +1 937
825 5032
Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF), e-mail nigel@xxxxx.xxx www
http://www.ngunn.net
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pigs QRP Club
International #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK 0182, MKARS, ALC,
GCARES, XWARN.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:50:51 -0400
From: Ivan Galysh <ivan.galysh@xxx.xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Great pictures of Pollux and Castor
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4A79C67B.2070806@xxx.xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hello,
I just posted two high res photos taken from the Space Shuttle of Castor
and Pollux.
Also, to make my life a little easier is sorting data from other emails,
please send all telemetry reports to ande@xxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxx
We'll be processing the data and give a report on how the MEMS sensors
are working compared to optical measurements of the satellite rotations.
https://goby.nrl.navy.mil/ANDE
Thanks for your support. We'll start designing a QSL card probably using
one of the pictures or any other ones that come in. All who have
submitted reports will get a card. I'm waiting for the good quality
video shot from the shuttle. As soon as that comes in and I get
approval, I will post it.
Ivan
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:59:29 -0700
From: Larry Teran <satvader@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] KEPS formated to use with orbitron
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BAY109-W1346ED8E91A46AA0893F94CD0D0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
DRAGONSAT1 35690U 09038B 09216.90180704 +.00018898 +00000-0 +99975-4 0
000772 35690 051.6411 056.4238 0005287 101.3819 258.7760 15.80626922000855ANDE
POLLUX SPHERE1 35693U 09038E 09216.65049322 +.00017516 +00000-0 +95014-4 0
000782 35693 051.6409 057.7474 0003658 053.5727 306.5575 15.80147294000785ANDE
CASTOR SPHERE1 35694U 09038F 09216.65100657 +.00009875 +00000-0 +55697-4 0
000702 35694 051.6419 057.7520 0004274 054.7897 305.3491 15.79946104000784
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:02:43 +0000
> From: nigel@xxxxx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] KEPS
>
> DRAGONSAT
> 1 35690U 09038B 09216.90180704 +.00018898 +00000-0 +99975-4 0 00077
> 2 35690 051.6411 056.4238 0005287 101.3819 258.7760 15.80626922000855
> ANDE POLLUX SPHERE
> 1 35693U 09038E 09216.65049322 +.00017516 +00000-0 +95014-4 0 00078
> 2 35693 051.6409 057.7474 0003658 053.5727 306.5575 15.80147294000785
> ANDE CASTOR SPHERE
> 1 35694U 09038F 09216.65100657 .00009875 00000-0 55697-4 0 70
> 2 35694 051.6419 057.7520 0004274 054.7897 305.3491 15.79946104 784
_________________________________________________________________
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:03:44 -0400
From: "Tyler Harpster" <tyler881@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SSTV from ISS
To: "Roland Zurmely" <py4zbz@xxxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <6672287424FD4ACCA23E46239B72D7E0@xxxxxxxx>
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Cool! What frequencies is the ISS using?
Thanks!
Tyler
KM3G
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland Zurmely" <py4zbz@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:05 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] SSTV from ISS
Received SSTV picture at 09:37 UTC in Sete Lagoas, Brasil, 2009-AUG-03:
http://www.qsl.net/py4zbz/satelite/sstv_via_sat.htm#2
73 de Roland PY4ZBZ
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