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G0CJM wrote:-
> 
> Up until a certain farmer blasted an intruder and his mate


It's important to separate fact from fiction.

1. The farmer had had his licence to keep firearms revoked because he was
considered dangerous and unstable.

2. He shot the burglars in the back when they were running away having
already disturbed them.

3. He made no effort to see if he had killed or wounded anyone. As a result
he left a 16 year old to bleed to death.

He was charged with and found guilty of murder. Later on appeal it was
commuted to manslaughter.

The UK law is murky on self defence but in this case the charges were
justified. He was considered dangerous, he shot someone in the back with an
illegal firearm and he left them to die. There's no way any civilised
person can consider shooting someone in the back and leaving them to bleed
to death the right response to a burglary.

The 16yr old who died was a known criminal with a long, long record. You
may consider his early dispatch has saved the tax payer a lot of money. I
shed no tears for the loss of such people. But the state is the correct
"person" to hand out punishments, not unstable farmers with illegal
weapons. 
Accepting such actions leads to the complete breakdown of society, c.f. USA
and it's endemic murder and violence problems.

Had the farmer involved, and I believe he had discharged the gun to scare
the burglars, made efforts to call the police and an ambulance, he would
have had much more sympathy. Had he shot the intruders if they had attacked
him, he would have got away with a self-defence plea. He'd have still been
locked up for the illegal firearms. You cannot allow illegal firearms in a
civil society.

No matter how you cut it, shooting someone in the back and leaving them to
die is the way of a coward. The police had determined he wasn't a suitable
person to have a gun, they were right in this case. 

The UK law says "reasonable force" can be used. Civilised people know that
shooting someone running away, in the back and leaving them to bleed to
death is not civilised and no way can be considered reasonable force. 

73 de Andy GM7HUD


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