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I0OJJ > ALL 14.05.12 21:26l 135 Lines 6108 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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From: I0OJJ @ I0OJJ.ILAZ.ITA.EU (Gus)
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Hi Angela,
>Come on Gus, don't start making ridiculous comments!
you are free to think the contrary about anything :)
I think you don't read the document sent to you at your e-mail address:
in fact the present argumentations are deeply explained; but if it should
be necessary I can explain again step by step, as per my knowledge, and
almost deeply supported by the official documentation (ISO standard,
United Nations, PBBS standards, etc.)
Here, I would only stress the fact that: the Namibia, Saudi Arabia...
are, read nowadays, false and erroneous argumentations, found almost
on the following reference documents:
References:
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1. BBS Hierarchical Addressing Protocol - Dave Wolf, WO5H et
al. - August 30th, 1994.
2. International Routing Designators - Jenkins, Lew N6VV et
al. - October 1, 1988.
3. Some comments on the Hierarchical Continent
Address Designator - Clark, Tom W3IWI - September 22, 1990.
The works of F6FBB for (x)FBB and many German OMs which created
the DPTNT, the OBCM, the WAMPES etc. never used such an arcaic
hints that reflected the very first PBBS creations/implementations...
mainly on the US... and never amended!
Stop here for now...
73, gus i0ojj
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Can you please let us know where .NA, obviously used as our (old) continent
designator for North America is located on the Internet???
Well, not in America..... It's Nanibia...
And obviously .SA is South America on the Internet..... Eh, no, wait! That
is Saudi Arabia...
So, yes, we definitely need to adhere to the RFCs..
The ideas, or better the proposals, to use 4-letter continent designators
in Packet Radio is from 1996.
It proposed as:
.EURO for Europe,
.NOAM for Nother America,
Eh... North ...
.SOAM for South America,
and several other designators for other continents and large areas.
The .eu Internet TLD was only proposed a few years after the 4-letter
designators were proposed for Packet Radio.
The Euro was a non-existing currency when the .EURO continent designator
was proposed in 1996, where at that time the only non physical European
money was the ECU...
So Gus, though we were first using .EU, .SA, .NA, etc. on Packet Radio
way before most did find their way to Internet as Country designators
where they did not keep to the already Internationally agreed 3-letter
country codes, unlike in Packet Radio where we fully comply to the
International Country code list in using .GBR.EU(RO), or .ITA.EU(RO) and
even .NLD.EU(RO) even though mostly NL is used as country designator
when it comes to car licence plates, etc.
If we look at the IP range used for Packet Radio, it is 44.0.0.0/8 with
the domain .AMPR.ORG located at UCSD with the subnets all over the world.
Should we be dumping the .AMRP.ORG and go to .AMPR.IT for Italy?
Or to .AMPR.NL for the 44.137.0.0/16 subnet in the Netherlands??
But then how about the .AMPR.EU.....................
If our Packet Radio system would have to mimic the Internet, seems we
should also dump the H-Address as we know it, like mine as
.PE1BIV.#YMD.NLD.EURO as obviously the #YMD is not compliant..
Yes, we could use something similar to the .co.uk as used for GBR
commercial domains as equivalent for a .com elsewhere.
I guess with more BBS' in one region, one would need to register
the <region>.<country> domain and then have the BBS and other BBS' be
a subdomain on it like <bbs>.<region>.<country> or PE1BIV.YMOND.NL and
an other BBS in the region then BBS2.YMOND.NL....???
No, sorry!
While we are still mainly using the 2-letter continent designators in
Packet Radio, the only way to distinguise between Packet Radio traffic
and Internet traffic is to look at at least the Country code together
with the 2-letter continent designator, like in *.NLD.EU* for a Dutch
BBS.
But, that will still leave room for error, as there is NO rule that
would disallow me, at least I do not think so, to register the
domain name nld.eu on the Internet.....
Right.. Now tell me how to differentiate?
Besides that, as I would be the legal registrant of nld.eu, I could make
a fuzz of other people using a domain name I am the legal registrant of.
Yes, this is all far fetched, but not I would think not an impossible
scenario.
So, now please come up with some valid argumentation against the use
of 4-letter continent designators in Packet Radio.
As information just for users who do not have a clue about the H-address
system, this is only used within the BBS system similar to the Maidenhead
Locator (neither duplicates anywhere on the world), where the H-address
does not have any real link to the Internet.
However, as written above, the Packet Radio TCP/IP system uses IP-numbers
that can all be fully quieried in the DNS system on the Internet.
If you check out pe1biv.ampr.org your Internet computer will get the
IP-number 44.137.77.49 from the DNS system. However, the Internet 'thinks'
the IP is located somewhere within UCSD in California in stead of the
Netherlands.
Rgs, 73, Angela
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PE1BIV *** [44.137.77.49] *** IJMUIDEN - NL *** JO22hl *** CM44h *** M1SCH
AX25: pe1biv@pe1biv.#ymd.nld.euro ****** smtp: pe1biv_at_pe1biv.ampr.org
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Packet Radio Homepage: http://http.pe1biv.ampr.org (Packet Radio)
: http://www.pe1biv.net (Internet)
I am opposed to my bulletins being placed on systems where these bulletins
can be publicly accessed by anyone, including search engines and spambots,
from the Internet, without that the user first has to logon to have access
to the system!
Having Packet bulletins on display on so many systems, where the sysops
think these bulletins are so important for the people outside of Amateur
Radio that they need to have access to them, quite often indefinitely, is
just ridiculous Internet polution!
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