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VE3WBZ > USERS 15.06.09 14:26l 158 Lines 6395 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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Subj: M1CUK's "Last Person Standing"
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From: VE3WBZ@VA3BAL.#SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM
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DT:Monday,June 15th.,2009 @0715hrs EST
<< Quoting M1CUK to USERS @WW >>
> From : M1CUK To : USERS @WW
> Type/Status : B$ Date/Time : 14-Jun 17:42
> Bid : 900949M1CUK Message # : 8807
> Title : Re: last man standing ....
>
> From: M1CUK@GB7FCR.#16.GBR.EU
> To : USERS@WW
>
> even with the landline bbs system I used to run, the
> overheads were the final nail in the coffin,
> the price of a new pc to run the latest greatest software
> to enable the landline/dial up modem bbs to become a
> web based (html system) was simply to much at that time
> (several hundred dollars) :( nice software but was far
> to expensive for a hobby system..
Hello Trevor, and I enjoyed your reply....
From the text above, I think we might have the same,
from that company in California, that was brought by the
one in Florida.....maybe? Anyhow, I still get email from
them and that several hundred dollars, has gone to crazy
heights, and even monthly a few hundred dollars.
That was a few days ago ....
> In the end the system ended up running more as a mail hub
> using a program called T-Mail, this allowed me to host
> several different mail networks on the one system, there
> was all the usual networks like fido net and the rest and
> I also hosted several specialist networks, that was very
> good software and was very well supported by the author.
I forget what we had for our network, LAKEnet, but I remember
FIDOnet, as I am still connected to it, and oh how that has
changed.
> but in the end the final nail was the costs to keep it all
> going and then fixed price adsl came along and that was the
> end of the basic dial up bbs as they were just far to
> expensive to use compared to web based systems.
OH thats neat. My extra telephone lines were cheap. What
killed it here for me, was Internet. Basic phone service
and cost of a line dropped as one could bundle it all
into the lines, Internet, and cellphone and even satellite
or cable service. When I said we had 30 BBSes on dialup
system here....they died overnight, as everyone wanted
the Internet, and it was like switching from a B&W TV to
Colour... Who would go back to B&W. My listings dropped
and users that date went from well over 400 to a handful.
What kept me going was the gateways, and Packet for
senior hams now confined to nursing homes, not allowed
outdoor antennas or anything, called here to access the
BBS for the packet going to their club's packet BBS.
> indeed the commercial sites were always the best, it was a real
> rip off when they started asking for full commercial rents.
Apartments too, also because they were great sites, saw the
value in their height and postion to make money for the
owners, so many things disappeared here.
> Here it wasnt just the internet that killed the landline bbs
> it was a combination of higher prices for the BT phone lines
> high line rentals and more expensive call charges meant that
> most sysops wouldnt keep the system running as users were so
> reluctant to rack up large phone bills, then on top of that the
> internet came along with fixed price access and the landline bbs
> simply couldnt compete any more.
That is so strange. My telephone rates dropped when the Internet
arrived, and my coverage range for local access mixed with the
nearest BBS who was the hub and so on for him, so Fidonet or
our Lakenet flowed freely and no big Long Distance rate charges.
Our users that day dropped by well over 99% ...along with those
30 dialup BBSes. All gone that day, and then I dropped out
in 2005 due to all my problems which were family affairs and
health issues and I just could not keep it going or pay attention
to it all. I think it ended with a few amatuer friends and
that was that.
> its a very good mode of communications, but it has it's limits
> same as any other system does.
I have noted, that there seems to be a slight more usage lately
but it seems to be auto stations doing links to Internet packet
to retrieve their emails sent to packet.
I know a few clubs are tring to tell folks about the use of
the packet BBS the beauty of being able to drop a message
off SP to a friend..or even an SB to all for whatever reason
and even sending and receiving email.
> well we have managed to keep things going so far by offering
> telnet access, without the telnet access large chunks of the
> UK wouldnt have any packet activity at all.
Same here I think ...but I have not even tried to find a telnet
station.
> Thankfully we have telnet, without it packet in the UK would have been
> hung out to die long ago..
If I was allowed in the UK what I have here in Canada, I could cover
a big chunk of UK. When I see the size, and realize that UK could
fit inside Ontario about 40 times ... then I know that chunk would
be huge ... Hmmmm I can guess the wailing cry from the neighbours
for the tower, hahahahhaa then the authorities.... hahahahahhaha.
> 73
> Trev,
> SysOp gb7fcr.#16.gbr.eu
> E-Mail trev@gb7fcr.co.uk
> Packet Radio <-> InterNet Gateway
> RF & Telnet access
> BBS Web Site http://www.gb7fcr.co.uk
> WinPack Web Site http://www.winpack.org.uk
> Message timed: 18:42 on 14 Jun 09
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>Action is eloquence.
>
>[End of Message #8807 from M1CUK]
OK Trev .... still planning sooner or later...that trip
to UK, so if a weirdo-like-yank-but-not-a-yank knocks
knock back a few pills and we party.
Today, thanks to a few friends, all the Y2K patches for the
BBS program have been applied, and they have it back static
while they try to decide dialup or telnet, and where to site
the computer and all < NOT HERE>. In fact in my last QWkmail
from them I was very surprised to see "20" users .... that
really surprised me. Maybe the Internet wore off ???
Too many spammers, hackers and virus and more money for this
and that ....but yes a surprise of 20 hardy souls have
returned or perhaps new ones...????
See you later... grass cutting, and the list grows...not
enough hours in a day..no pay..no OT... and they call this
a senior's golden years...phooey!
73 Peter VE3WBZ < oh dear no title!>
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