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VE3WBZ > USERS 09.06.09 15:25l 101 Lines 3612 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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Subj: RE: Comments of Pete G6KUI
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From: VE3WBZ@VA3BAL.#SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM
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TO: USERS @WW
FR: VE3WBZ@VA3BAL.#SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM
DT: Tuesday,June 9th.,2009 @0842hrs EST <JPST>
<< Quoting G6KUI to USERS @WW >>
> From : G6KUI To : USERS @WW
> Type/Status : B$ Date/Time : 09-Jun 10:54
>.Bid : 28020_G6KUI Message # : 8048
> Title : Re: Last men standing
>
> Dave VK2AWZ wrote a fairly long bulletin, but he failed
> to grasp what the real problem is. Like most others he has
> only partly taken part in Packet Radio, being a taker and
> not a helper in the infrastructure.
Hello Pete.,
Perhaps Dave VK2AWZ wanted to only comment .on say a part
of the problem. Being on the air, as a taker, and by this
I assume you mean he signs into the local BBS ....he is
in a way a helper...by just his presence on the air.
His station is there. Anyone with their radio ON and TNC
setup sees him, and I suppose he has his digipeater set
as I do to allow others to digipeat thru his station to
other places. I guess we need to hear from Dave about all
this and your comments, as well mine.
> The one thing that I can't understand is why most people
> don't run a packet node. This to me is the best way of taking part.
I have a Packet BBS program, FBB 515c, but then setting it
up is ok...but then whom to forward to...and then have users
which here are far and in between.
Also my OS is Windows98 XP and VISTA ... and I never tried
the other sytem for the packet BBS.
I guess by the Node you mean a program..right? Which one?
And then for whom? Most of the hammies here are stuck on
Internet. Why they even bother to have a call is beyond me.
I have one local ham who digipeats thru me...and thats all
but I used to have those north of the lake use me, but
they stopped years ago, and are all on the Internet.
> Here in the UK a lot of people who had difficulty making
> an RF connection to a BBS, gave up completely with RF when
> they migrated to telnet internet access. Why did they do this ?
>. My only only answer is because they are selfish individuals
> and don't want to help others.
One excuse I got was it was better and faster. I call'em snobs.
Internet Hammies trying to impress the public with being just
total dinosaurs with a chip on the shoulder.
> Surely it would have been much better if these people had
> helped provide local RF connectivity to others when they
> decided to go the internet route by providing a node so
> that other local RF users could use their internet connection
> to gain access to the packet network.
The local club had a packet BBS...which I was their last man
on it. After all the excuses, and some you mention and hint
at they took it off ...a Radio Club. Now they are a
Internet Club passing as a Ham radio club. Their ARES is
a perfect example of it all.
> Or maybe they just do not ( or do not want to ) understand
> how packet radio works.
Agreed...
> In most other aspects of amateur radio everybody is on
> an equal footing, but in packet radio most people that
> came into it just wanted to be second class amateurs and
> not fully take part. They decided to be just USERS and
> to not get fully involved.
>
> 73, Pete G6KUI
>
> Message sent with NPFPMS V2.54c
>
>[End of Message #8048 from G6KUI]
I am a user, and Ido take part ...I am active, and I let the
TNC run all day ....with ZERO results. I even checkout
other mailboxes and never get a reply. I think most
today here are seemingly antisocial....too bad...Oh
well Pete thanks for the posting...
73 Peter VE3WBZ
VA3BAL BBS>
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