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Warning - contains comments denouncing racism.
If likely to be offended, please don't read.
Ray, VK2TV wrote:-
>When should a sysop act as censor?
For VKs, I'd say when a message contravenes S108(2)(d) of the 1992
Radiocommunications Act, (which VKs don't get a copy of and runs to
more than 300 pages of legalistic jargon).
Quote:
"Messages which are likely to cause a reasonable person to be seriously
alarmed or seriously affronted or for the purposes of harassing a person".
End quote.
Note: "which are likely to" - not "which are certain to".
And on the balance of probabilities - not beyond reasonable doubt.
I don't think it's complicated.
It's important to distinguish between bulls that may annoy intolerant
people simply because they don't share the views expressed, and those
bulls which:
*contain nothing but offensive text or attack a person's character using
offensive names, calculated to not simply invite, but incite, adverse
responses, and;
*where it's clear that to cause offence was in the mind of the writer,
and;
*from writers who do it time after time.
Ray:
> David, I would like you to continue your involvement with packet and to
> make regular contributions.
Thanks for the encouragement Ray.
>Therefore, I make the same offer to you that I've made to a few others
>whose local bbs service was terminated. You are welcome to telnet into
>vk2tv.
Praise indeed - that made my day!
Think about it - me, an honorary Aussie - how cool is that!
:-)
I'll bear it in mind when and if Trev does pull the big switch.
> Regardless, thank you for your well considered and factual
> contributions to packet over the years.
Thanks Ray - I'm glad you take an objective view and don't see adverse
inferences when none are intended.
Everything I've written about Oz has been from highly-regarded Australian
sources and I always quote those sources. Most have been good news
stories, and why not?
Like most Brits, I'm a great admirer of Oz. It's part of the Commonwealth,
our countries have a shared history, the same Queen, the same "DNA" and
very close ties.
It wasn't until 1948 that a separate Australian citizenship was created
for the first time. Before that time all Australians were "British
subjects".
Like millions who already are, many of us, myself included, would
rather be there than here. We know when we're onto a good thing.
The 2006 Census shows that the population of Oz has doubled since 1961,
when it was 10.6 million. The most commonly nominated parentages were:
Australian (37.1%)
English (31.6%)
Irish (9.1%)
Scottish (7.7%)
So of today's Australians, less than 4 in 10 have parents born there.
Almost 50% of Aussies are post-war ex-pat Brits and their offspring.
I've said many times that intractable indigenous issues and racism which
today's Australians are contending with are a legacy of British colonial
settlement from 1788, passed down from father to son for over 200 years.
That mindset changes over time - not overnight.
Federal and State government agencies and church missions under Acts
of Parliaments were still removing indigenous children from their parents
as late as the 1970s and the "White Australia" policies still existed.
That's an historical fact, but it's in the past - it's the future that
matters. Anyone over 55 had left school when those policies were still
in place. Their take on this isn't going to change, but it's a remarkable
turnaround to see what young people are being taught in schools today.
HREOC came into being in 1988 and is a second-to-none world-class human
rights organisation, which - on its educational pages states:
Quote:
Human rights education is about developing an understanding of what it
means to treat other people with dignity and respect for their rights.
It's about using this understanding to guide the way we see and act in
society.
With understanding, comes respect. And this respect helps build strong
communities, based on equality and tolerance in which everyone has an
opportunity to contribute.
End quote.
Sounds good to me.
I don't share the view of some on here that HREOC is a bunch of
"politically correct left-wing activists with a hidden agenda".
That's why I obtained HREOC's free teaching resources for my
granddaughters, which today's teachers use in Oz.
http://www.hreoc.gov.au/education/index.html
That's the Australia of today - not the Australia which, less than fifty
years ago, was still trying to eliminate a race of people by practising
eugenics, and whose British colonial forbears hunted them down for sport.
It's very disappointing when Bob says I'm "digging the dirt on Oz",
"running the country down", and "being very rude", yet pours scorn
on every eminent body or person and every worthwhile initiative that
I've mentioned - most of whom he didn't even know existed till I
mentioned them.
So who, exactly, is running Oz down?
In what way does this run down Oz, which I wrote earlier this year when
Kevin Rudd gave his "sorry" address? It places the root cause squarely
where it belongs:
I wrote:
>Why an apology for genocide from the British Government is overdue:
^^^^^^^
>Rudd's apology on behalf of the Australian Government was directed at the
>policy that produced the stolen generations - Aboriginal children, mainly
>girls, snatched from their mothers for "assimilation" into white society.
>But make no mistake about this, the policy was developed by the British.
^^^^^^^
>Its intellectual origin was the *English* eugenics movement, which held
>that "feeble-mindedness" and other "degenerate" traits could be
eliminated >by social engineering measures such as compulsory
sterilisation of the
>"unfit" and by "breeding out" what were described as "degenerate" racial
>traits.
End quote.
That is a matter of public record.
The above echoes the sentiments of Geoffrey Robinson QC who trained
the judges who tried Saddam Hussein. He referred to the practice of
"miscegenation" - the policy aimed at breeding out the Aboriginal gene
over several generation by mating "stolen" (or as some like to claim
"saved") mixed-race girls with white men.
The term "genocide" was used by the then Governor General Sir William
Deane in his Report of the National Inquiry into the Separation of
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Children from Their Families
April 1997.
Bob referred to this in a bull as "a blatant untruth".
He's entitled to his opinion, but my money is on Sir William Deane and
Geoffrey Robinson QC.
Best wishes
David, G4EBT @ GB7FCR
Cottingham, East Yorkshire.
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